If anyone wanted to know where the “Captain America was an agent of hydra thing because the world got rewritten by a little girl with the power of god,” thing went: the good Cap came back and kicked the living shit outta Nazi cap.
There’s been a few people here and there in the tags trying to start ship discourse but…
Yall seem to forget that eddie/venom are canon in the comics… this is pretty much basic level Venom lore
Venom declares their love for Eddie:
Eddie talks to someone about being in a relationship with Venom and how much he loves it:
They consider each other married:
They’ve considered each other marred since the 1990 comics:
Yet another discussion on their romantic relationship:
Eddie considers Venom his long time romantic partner:
They go on movie dates with each other and hold hands!!!:
…This scene:
Um…. anyways, heart chocolates:
They call each other pet names CONSTANTLY:
The ending to one of the comics has a heart symbol and the classic ‘fairy tale’ ending:
Speaking of the heart ending, they consider their entire story in the comics to be a love story
I just… do I need to explain further?
They’ve also canonically given birth to a symbiote child before and raised it together until it went off on its own. Yep. They had a child together.
Anyways…. symbrock is canon. And it has been since 1990 when they first considered themselves married and in a relationship.
(sources: everything from Venom 1990 to the most recent Venom comics)
Well, this is great, and all… But it’s still just canon in the comics. The adaptation is different. Whether that’s a good difference is up to you (general you) to decide, but it’s still a difference.
I’m beyond thrilled that they’ve got this relationship in the comics, but I don’t really read a lot of comics. I don’t have the money or the time, and I bet I’m not the only one. I just feel like some of this is kind of gatekeeping, for people who only watched the movie. Like, “you don’t know this thing, so you don’t really like Venom” or whatever. If someone’s first encounter with the characters is through the movie, they’re not gonna know this stuff, and that should be ok.
IDK if I’m expressing myself well, but this has been niggling at me.
film producers: *masculinity so terribly frail, sickly and vapid that, when tasked with depicting a canonically queer romantic relationship between a human and a genderless alien slime, decided to stick tits on the slime*
comic book writers: HEY GUYS! 😀 HERE’S EDDIE HAVING MORNING SICKNESS BECAUSE HE’S PREGNANT WITH HIS GOOEY LOVER’S ALIEN BABY!!! Y’ALL HAVE A GREAT FUCKIN DAY!!!!!! ❤
Except it’s not like they had Venom get boobs to disguise a queer relationship, they did it because Venom was possessing a woman. Which is it’s own problem, needless gendering like that sucks, but it has nothing to do with Vemon and Eddie’s relationship.
Symbiotes can take almost any form whatsoever, including when they are with a host. And it’s not the 90s, and one would think we would be past this:
Of course, it’s needless gendering.
But people who don’t know the comics read it as Symby setting Eddie and Annie up to get together again. And they didn’t have to do Symby and Eddie’s reunion like this. They could do it many other ways (that dog reaching Eddie?), but instead they did it… Like That. And showed it as though Eddie could only be attracted to… Well, the forms depicted above.
It’s all tied together: needless gendering, zero chemistry between Eddie and Annie, “I kinda liked that kiss, but oh no, it was Venom’s idea” (what about them dropping Dan out of the last part of the movie? like, entirely? he’s only briefly mentioned in the end, and that’s all).
That is a horrible image.
I guess, not having read much Venom and not having read any comics in, like, a decade or so, I’m coming from the perspective of not knowing the comics. And yeah, I saw it as Venom being weirdly matchmakey for some reason. And it sucks that they didn’t make the Eddie/Venom relationship canon like in the comics, but, I guess, I wouldn’t expect that from a Marvel movie? It’s shitty, yeah, but, well… I don’t expect anything else from them at this point.
film producers: *masculinity so terribly frail, sickly and vapid that, when tasked with depicting a canonically queer romantic relationship between a human and a genderless alien slime, decided to stick tits on the slime*
comic book writers: HEY GUYS! 😀 HERE’S EDDIE HAVING MORNING SICKNESS BECAUSE HE’S PREGNANT WITH HIS GOOEY LOVER’S ALIEN BABY!!! Y’ALL HAVE A GREAT FUCKIN DAY!!!!!! ❤
Except it’s not like they had Venom get boobs to disguise a queer relationship, they did it because Venom was possessing a woman. Which is it’s own problem, needless gendering like that sucks, but it has nothing to do with Vemon and Eddie’s relationship.
I know Black Mask can genuinely be an intimidating villain (which I hope he is for the Birds of Prey movie) but the #1 version of him that I’ll always love is him in Under the Red Hood when he just has one banger line of dialogue after another. Also his beady little eyes are so fricken funny.
In December of 1940, America still hadn’t entered the war.
There were a lot of Americans – such as the 800,000 paying members of the America First Committee – who looked at fascists massacring their way through Europe and declared “that’s not our problem.”
Captain America was created by two poor Jewish Americans, Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, with the specific intent of trying to convince Americans that entering the war was the right thing to do. It wasn’t easy – Kirby went far beyond what was expected of artists at the time, penciling the entire issue with a deadline that would have been difficult for a two-man crew to pull off.
Captain America punched Hitler right on the cover, at a time when a majority of Americans just didn’t feel like doing anything decisive against the Nazis.
Kirby and Simon faced considerable resistance for their creation, including steady hate mail and outright death threats.
Once, while Jack was in the Timely office, a call came from someone in the lobby. When Kirby answered, the caller threatened Jack with bodily harm if he showed his face. Kirby told the caller he would be right down, but by the time Jack reached street level, there was no one to be found.
Both creators enlisted after America entered the war. Kirby, as an artist, was called upon to do the extremely dangerous work of scouting ahead to draw maps. He also went on to co-create Black Panther in 1966.
They didn’t create Captain America to be an accurate depiction of America-As-It-Is. The character was meant to inspire and embolden, to show America-As-It-Should-Be.
The subject of where the Vibranium for the shield came from actually never came up for decades of comics, until it was finally addressed by Black Panther’s writer, Christopher Priest, in 2001. Priest never shied away from acknowledging America’s racism, but he also understood that Captain America represented an ideal, intended to inspire Americans to be better.
The story mixed together a “present day” discussion between Cap and T’Challa with flashbacks to when Cap met the Black Panther ruling Wakanda during World War II.
FLASHBACK:
PRESENT:
PRESENT -> FLASHBACK
PRESENT:
The Vibranium was given, freely, by one good man to another good man.
It is right to rage against the injustices done by our governments. We must call them out, and we must fight for what’s right.
But if you can’t even stand to see the symbols created to inspire people to be better, and rail against those,then you’re just confusing cynicism for realism.
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